Ohio High-Speed Rail Advocates Look to Maine as a Model
3-C Rail Project
Where does the project stand, and will Central Ohioans use the proposed train?
NBC 4
Ohio high-speed rail advocates say Maine’s passenger rail system is a huge success and could be a good model for a system connecting Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati.
Published: September 14, 2009
Updated: September 14, 2009
COLUMBUS, Ohio—High-speed rail advocates are holding up a New England state as an example of a system that could work in Ohio.
Columbus hasn’t had regular passenger-train service since 1971.
The state plans to ask for about $400 million in federal stimulus money to start what’s being called a “3-C” system connecting Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati.
The money will be used to make major improvements to the existing freight-train tracks, signals and equipment to make them suitable for higher-speed passenger traffic.
“Hopefully, we’ll have train service by 2011, but we have a lot of ground to cover before then,“ says the Ohio Environmental Council’s Jack Shaner.
At a news conference Monday morning, Shaner and other rail supporters held up the state of Maine as a model of successful systems.
Maine’s passenger rail system is called the “DownEaster.” It runs from Portland to Boston and claims to have toted nearly half-a-million riders in 2008.
The Maine system was initially funded by the federal government. Amtrak runs the daily operations but does not own any of the rail lines along the 116-mile route.
2001 3-C High-Speed Rail Study for Ohio Rail Development Commission
Cincinnati to Cleveland: 258 miles each way, $90.27 ticket, 3 hours and 28 minutes
Columbus to Cleveland: $47.42 fare
A 2001 study for the Ohio Rail Development Commission says a one-way, 258-mile trip from Cincinnati to Cleveland would require a $90.27 ticket and take about three-and-a-half hours. Columbus to Cleveland would be a $47.42 fare.
“You’re probably just focused on are there any tolls or gas,“ says Maine rail investor Robert Martin. “But you’re not looking at maintenance, depreciation, insurance—all the factors that any business would look at in terms of an investment into a particular process.“
Supporters claim an Ohio system would spur billions in economic development dollars and might even help keep young professionals in the state by creating a better quality of life.
But it would come at a price: requiring millions of dollars in annual subsidies, which they say are standard and necessary for all public transportation systems.
“Go look at the communities in the west and the south, where our folks are moving to,“ says Chester Jourdan, Jr., of the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission. “Look at what they’re investing in. And if that doesn’t give us a wake-up call, then we’re going to find ourselves looking up one day, not having the workforce of tomorrow and the economy that we want to support our kids and grandkids.“
Another report on Ohio’s high-speed rail proposal is due this week from Amtrak and the Ohio Department of Development. It is expected to revise the proposed routes, fares and timetables.
Related Links:
2001 Ohio High-Speed Rail Study, Ohio Rail Development Commission
http://facweb.knowlton.ohio-state.edu/pviton/courses2/crp763/ohio-hub/3C-up.pdf
ODOT Passenger Rail Initiatives
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/Pages/Default.aspx
Amtrak Downeaster
http://www.amtrakdowneaster.com/
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This article is out of date on travel time between one C and another. State rail officials have said recently that the 258-mile trip will take over six hours, due to stops in Dayton and Columbus and maybe more sites. The train will only average 57-mph. This train is not high speed. Fares upwards of $100 will won’t cover costs of transportation once you get to your destination. And worst of all, the environmentalists support it should know that this train will not do anything to help with reducing GHGs or eliminating road congestion, and diesel engine locomotives will be dirty, not clean. Of more importance, this old train technology has competition from newer, more advanced trains like Tubular Rail (www.tubularrail.com). Wake up, Ohio. You don’t want to be caught in the future with old technology.
I have to agree that it would be ok if the timetables were set so that it would be convenient to catch connecting trains in either Cincinnati or Cleveland. We also take Amtrak cross-country once a year but have to ‘ride the dog’ to and from Chicago. (And I’ll add the train is SO much more comfortable!) Simply going to either Cinci or Cleveland for a getaway seems pretty steep though.
It’s would be cheaper than flying without the hassle of dealing with security.
I use Amtrak whenever possible for long distance travel. It would be great to be able to start my trips in Columbus rather than having to drive to Cleveland or Cincinnati to catch a train. I would definitely use the 3C rail system.
Sounds good in theory but it’s still cheaper to drive. The price they’ve posted from Col. to Cleveland is $47.42. I have driven to Cleveland on one tank of gas and in my Civic, it’s barely &30;. Why would anyone take a train when they can save money & make their own schedule? It seems that Ohio could be using that money for things that we really NEED.
I am a graduate of Cleveland State University and would attend more events there when we have high-speed rail.
Also work in Cleveland and Cincinnati from time to time and would use the rail for those trips.
Price is appropriate for the service and the convenience and the extra productive time.
Having lived in Chicago and used the subway and the “L” I can say I am floored that every major city doesn’t have good public transportation. It’s sad it’s 2009 and we’re still so dependent on cars and buses.
I have travel all over the U.S. by train, Cincinnati to Cleveland would be a big plus for the economy and travelers to, it would cut down on your driving not to mention pollution.
What are we waiting for!!!
I would love to use it. I have family in Cincinnati and would be able to see them much more often. Plus I would go to Cleveland to see it for the first time. Much easier to get around. Hopefully we have it up and running very soon!
I would definately use a train to travel between Columbus and Cincinnati and Cleveland. One of the advantages most people don’t think about is how much more productive you can be on a trian rather than driving a car.
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